Goday Mate?

[DarrylMartin]

Always wanted to say that... I'm from the USA and only meet a few Australians. I'd love to come down and stick a few pigs with you guys. But most of all I joined this site because I'm very interested in how members breed their dogs. I sure like those pig dogs I see on the internet, they all tend to have the look of function over form for their respective Job. I'm a firm believer that dogs breed just for looks will eventually lead to destruction. I currently only have one dog a bandog of sorts we call it a "Donovan Pinscher". Mostly it's a deep line breed dog of Dutch shepherded, Presa mastiff type dogs and pits... they are about 11 generations deep and run about 70lbs. We do protection sports put I plan to get him on a pig sometimes this year. Anyways I'm just here to learn because I probably won't have much to say.... Thanks for your time!

[DarrylMartin]

Oh I hope it's not a problem but I use a wireless modem for my internet so I don't have a ISP server email address (hopefully we can make an exception for me?). I live out on 80 acres and I'd have a huge fee to run a cable to my home, but I did use my real name and my personal email.

[boodog]

G'day mate ,welcome

What part of Tennessee are you from ? Gotta love Beal street [fond memories]

[stevo]

Welcome

[micl]

Always wanted to say that... I'm from the USA and only meet a few Australians. I'd love to come down and stick a few pigs with you guys. But most of all I joined this site because I'm very interested in how members breed their dogs. I sure like those pig dogs I see on the internet, they all tend to have the look of function over form for their respective Job. I'm a firm believer that dogs breed just for looks will eventually lead to destruction. I currently only have one dog a bandog of sorts we call it a "Donovan Pinscher". Mostly it's a deep line breed dog of Dutch shepherded, Presa mastiff type dogs and pits... they are about 11 generations deep and run about 70lbs. We do protection sports put I plan to get him on a pig sometimes this year. Anyways I'm just here to learn because I probably won't have much to say.... Thanks for your time!

hi ya buds lv done some of the work like your saying with similer but difert x,s of dog , did you use your dog on full sute or just on arm or leg ,,,,,,,, your dog should bite very hard now from protecion work ,, is he biteing deep ,, when you say dutch shep ,, do you meen malamar or belgen shepherd,,,l have worked with the belgen shep, malamr,, very hard dogs,they hit very hard for ther size vigeres , quick ,, l never ever hered of them being x,s to mastive and pity , but l can understand , becose of its quick start up, hmmmm sounds excelent as man dog,,,,,,,,,,but what would it look like ,aheavey german shep looking dog ,,,, thanks micl

[DarrylMartin]

Hey Boodog I'm from South TN right on the Georgia border actually some of the property I live on is in North GA. As Far as my pup goes he's a lil to young to be sure of everything I got @ 13 months, but I've used him mostly on a sleev, but boy he is a beast on a suit, real HARD and full bites. Mostly he gets his smart from the Belgian Shepherd and his mouth from the red bull.... I suppose he's pretty defensive considering the Fila Brasilio in there too. You should look "Donovan Pinscher" up on youtube, the Donovan guy is breeding them about 12gens deep now. They breed pretty true, but are starting to lack leg and are shrinking to 65lbs. He has descent prey, and EXTREME aggression. A real rambo... I foresee myself learning as much as I can to hopefully one day produce a line of thin nerved highly biddable terrier type dog,for detection and catch work regardless of man or beast, hopefully with more size and leg.

What type dogs are you running? Do you hunt or only do man work? I'd love to learn what type breeding you found working.

Thanks guys can't wait to be apart of the board, seems to have loads of info!

[DarrylMartin]

Oh here's some pictures of my pup, looks kind red bull like and his personality is kinda bulldoggish around the family... The primary difference is that he extremely biddable almost like a collie.

On the Sleeve

On the suit

During OB, showing attention...

[DarrylMartin]

Sorry bud I'm sorry I offended you... I have no problem "p i s s i n g of" and totally understand where you are coming from as far as ruining the red bull. I guess this is a general combat dog we are breed, not a specialist. I'm not looking to push my dog on anyone else. The dog in the picture was 6months and is about 65lbs now probably will top out around 75-80lbs. The breeder is trying to separate himself from pits because of the public's prospective. But in my mind there's nothing like a good game dog, and I've owned a few game breed dogs...

P.s. If you forget about my mutant mutt I won't bring him up either, then hopefully we can talk dogs, I'm sure I could still learn a lot from you, I'm not here to talk about my dog, I'd much rather talk about your dogs and what your doing . I'm all about learning and listening.

[fredtopp]

Sorry bud I'm sorry I offended you... I have no problem "p i s s i n g of" and totally understand where you are coming from as far as ruining the red bull. I guess this is a general combat dog we are breed, not a specialist. I'm not looking to push my dog on anyone else. The dog in the picture was 6months and is about 65lbs now probably will top out around 75-80lbs. The breeder is trying to separate himself from pits because of the public's prospective. But in my mind there's nothing like a good game dog, and I've owned a few game breed dogs...

P.s. If you forget about my mutant mutt I won't bring him up either, then hopefully we can talk dogs, I'm sure I could still learn a lot from you, I'm not here to talk about my dog, I'd much rather talk about your dogs and what your doing . I'm all about learning and listening.

welcome to the site mate

im sure you realise this is a hunting site ,,an we dont like our dogs to eat people LOL ... some breeds are getting a lot of bad press over hear at the moment .

but its all about learning an id like to hear more about what you do with your dogs over there,

they are some awsome photos ....

FT

[beno41079]

I think our dogs would be just as tough and smart as them dogs you have but my kids like to ride and play with my dogs and dogs love it would yours

[Bambi]

Yeah this is hunting site but if you'd notice we also talk about fishing, 4wding, farming and cooking (not to mention alot of other crap.)

So welcome to the site Darryl, Hope you enjoy it.

As long as blokes look after the dogs health and wellbeing, and their actions have no negative impact on the dog or others i have no problem with people on this site who dont hunt. Then maybe more people will understand we are not a bunch of cruel inbred rednecks.

Edited September 23, 2011 by stevo

[Mark]

this is a hunting site p i s s off with your attack dogs just like the apbt you yanks have destroyed a breed fighting mongrels , take them 2 afgan they need them sort of dogs there , that is your man stopper lol, you would think that guy who breeds them should breed something better , you could throw that little mut around . there is dogs that where breed for the purpose of that why do people have to try and breed a dog that wont even come close to what he is trying to do and most people dont understand them without bring more crap to the table , i thought we are suppose to be the smart ones things are going backwards .

Biggles be warned, everyone is entitled to an opinion on this site, but if you cant get your point across with out the abuse you will not be here long.

[Katrina]

Not only is that flicking funny Fred, it''s pretty accurate. I thought he must have missed his morning Prozac.

Guard dog people think pig dogs are the devil incarnate and because they are so savage they are responsible for all the dog attacks and pig dog people think guard dog people have mindless, savage dogs and are flicking it for everyone. I have a foot in both camps and there are good blokes and dickheads in both. If you can't have a pigdog out in the bush because it attacks anything that moves then it's useless, if you can't have a protection dog around other people, especially your own family then it's pretty useless as well.

I don't know that Donavan would have much of a following here, he has too much in common with MH for pig doggers to embrace him.

Edited September 23, 2011 by Katrina

[Katrina]

By the way welcome Darryl, I do hope you find what you want here.

[DarrylMartin]

Well guys thanks for being a LITTLE understanding. I respect dog men in general, but a hunter get a totally different angle from constantly working with his dogs. I for one just like working aside a good dog. Huntint tends to tell you what your working with. I think there is not a better way to test the physical build of a dog than letting it run and hunt. Mentally I think it exposes dogs that lack endurance, heart or tend to avoid the fight (especially catch work). A lot of the breeder purposefully bred out of catch dogs because they tend to be functionally sound.

As far as my dog goes these aren't just scattered breed mutts here, you can find those in any America inner city dime a dozen, just breed to be breed. They are culling HARD, putting working titles on these dogs, and still selling them as catch dogs. We always needed a dog to kill the stray dog/coyote/coon, alarm and bite the unfriendly stranger, bay/catch the average pig or mule, or blood scent the deer. While this dog or those bulldogs weren't specialist but got the job done. The place I live raised pigs and donkeys for about 80+yrs.

As far as what happening with the bulldogs, it's a sad state of things, and seems to just be an extension of this new zero-reality mindset. I run into ignorance everywhere I turn. I thought it was only the damn yanks, but it seems even the good southern rednecks are buying into all the media BS. We face a lot of BSL type laws but the good thing is in the south the old timers remember game dogs and all purpose bulldogs and don't want that BSL crap here. Sadly I too fear the fear fate of the bulldogs and hounds (in fact all working dogs), one of the main reasons I wasn't upset with biggles personally.

P.s. When I say Yanks that means Northerner's had to look it up online to find out you guys meant Americans... LOL

[DarrylMartin]

I think our dogs would be just as tough and smart as them dogs you have but my kids like to ride and play with my dogs and dogs love it would yours

Oh trust me my dog loves his babies, he lays and licks and grooms them for hours on end... only thing he likes more is his tennis ball!

[micl]

Oh here's some pictures of my pup, looks kind red bull like and his personality is kinda bulldoggish around the family... The primary difference is that he extremely biddable almost like a collie.

On the Sleeve

On the suit

During OB, showing attention...

yes the rules have change in australia,, big time ,,,,,,,,,,,,, we are no longer alowd to do that sort of training , only if one has alicens of sort ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, your dog looks nice he will do well on pigs,,,,l would think

[micl]

Well guys thanks for being a LITTLE understanding. I respect dog men in general, but a hunter get a totally different angle from constantly working with his dogs. I for one just like working aside a good dog. Huntint tends to tell you what your working with. I think there is not a better way to test the physical build of a dog than letting it run and hunt. Mentally I think it exposes dogs that lack endurance, heart or tend to avoid the fight (especially catch work). A lot of the breeder purposefully bred out of catch dogs because they tend to be functionally sound.

As far as my dog goes these aren't just scattered breed mutts here, you can find those in any America inner city dime a dozen, just breed to be breed. They are culling HARD, putting working titles on these dogs, and still selling them as catch dogs. We always needed a dog to kill the stray dog/coyote/coon, alarm and bite the unfriendly stranger, bay/catch the average pig or mule, or blood scent the deer. While this dog or those bulldogs weren't specialist but got the job done. The place I live raised pigs and donkeys for about 80+yrs.

As far as what happening with the bulldogs, it's a sad state of things, and seems to just be an extension of this new zero-reality mindset. I run into ignorance everywhere I turn. I thought it was only the damn yanks, but it seems even the good southern rednecks are buying into all the media BS. We face a lot of BSL type laws but the good thing is in the south the old timers remember game dogs and all purpose bulldogs and don't want that BSL crap here. Sadly I too fear the fear fate of the bulldogs and hounds (in fact all working dogs), one of the main reasons I wasn't upset with biggles personally.

P.s. When I say Yanks that means Northerner's had to look it up online to find out you guys meant Americans... LOL

yes l just looked at donovns lines , he has bred talk in to the red bull dog,as well as brains and the dogs look very sharp ,and thinking fast, well done to him, l like the lite buck sckin croped , remineds me of my buckskin jeep reeds, males,,,,,, yep nice but l would have liked them abit heavey er, so you carnt drag them around wen ther holding but ther fine,,,,,,,,,l supose if they wer heavyer the line would change and they mite get slower in the brains ,,,, nice dogs ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, good luck with your hobby daz martin,,,,,,,,micl,,,,

[mozz]

I have been fantasising about crossing a malanois into a pig dog line for a while, looks like your pup would be a good type. cheers.

[DarrylMartin]

Thanks guys for taking a look... I agree with your assessment Mici... I think size, leg, are a huge concern with them.

Mozz I've wondered why collie over a good malinios aren't put into these lurcher type dogs... a malinois would bring more to the table at least in theory like intense prey drive, smarts, without losing any movement, mouth or grit. The problem with putting a lot of shepherd in a catch dog is that you lose some of that "never come off the bite" mindset you get in a bull dog. But in a lurcher it certainly wouldn't hurt much. Do you know if anyone is using Malinios in there luchers..? By the way I'm talking out my ass here because I'm still not sure how you guys hunt over there... Are you running a do-it-all type dog, or do you have specific roles for each?

I really like the way those Kangaroo dogs, and long dogs look. When you get your hands on those skinny things they are actually built like a slim bulldog, I sure would like to own one before I die.

Hopefully I can learn a little bit about breeding, and how you do things over there... I'm sure we could learn something from each other... Here's to happy hunting.

[micl]

Thanks guys for taking a look... I agree with your assessment Mici... I think size, leg, are a huge concern with them.

Mozz I've wondered why collie over a good malinios aren't put into these lurcher type dogs... a malinois would bring more to the table at least in theory like intense prey drive, smarts, without losing any movement, mouth or grit. The problem with putting a lot of shepherd in a catch dog is that you lose some of that "never come off the bite" mindset you get in a bull dog. But in a lurcher it certainly wouldn't hurt much. Do you know if anyone is using Malinios in there luchers..? By the way I'm talking out my ass here because I'm still not sure how you guys hunt over there... Are you running a do-it-all type dog, or do you have specific roles for each?

I really like the way those Kangaroo dogs, and long dogs look. When you get your hands on those skinny things they are actually built like a slim bulldog, I sure would like to own one before I die.

Hopefully I can learn a little bit about breeding, and how you do things over there... I'm sure we could learn something from each other... Here's to happy hunting.

well puting the malinions over the lucher , l would not ,,,,, cose it will loose to much ,the x pups , lmeen , but malinios over grayhound may be ok ,but then we would have to worry about the agreshon then in the pups ,they may change to garddogs,,l have seen german sheperd x grayhound,,,,the beljen and dutch sheperds avery smart,drud gard find hold , vigeres, sharper than rotty germen shep,, but a well bred dovermen black face woooooooooooooooooooooooo love them, l remember 27 years ago , amate bred some and they wer 4000 then , but that was the bast of best german line what dogs we had and sore then , and acsoly the dobermans one the shutzan triles that year , went to watch in ozzy ,,,no no ,it was aroty ,but this dog was so fit he had musels in his spine he looked like avery heavey doberman yes yes,,,very fine hair, to find good lines in eny breed you have to reely look , other whise some one will scew you like there is no to morrow,cose ther are some ass whipe,s out ther,,,that was around wen the first of the maain pity,s hit ozzy, and l tell you there was some biutiful animals, black white face , white black face , red , lite , dark brindal lite brindal, jeeep reeds sorrel patrics and more,,,,man they could clime atree, hunt pigs, swimm, gard , allrounders,,,,, but some peaple did not relise the resposability, with owning one,,,,,,,,,,,lm a ferm beleaver of of responsible ownership of an animal,even ahores can get out and corz big shit ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well l dont no what to say ,no disrespect to eny one , mr marrtin my man , chat later kuzz,,on ya bro,

Edited September 24, 2011 by micl

[BrendanW]

By the way I'm talking out my ass here because I'm still not sure how you guys hunt over there... Are you running a do-it-all type dog, or do you have specific roles for each?

I really like the way those Kangaroo dogs, and long dogs look. When you get your hands on those skinny things they are actually built like a slim bulldog, I sure would like to own one before I die.

Hopefully I can learn a little bit about breeding, and how you do things over there... I'm sure we could learn something from each other... Here's to happy hunting.

In regard to pig dogs most hunters here run finder/holders or finder/bailers, they can be split into ute (pickup) finders and ground finders. Ute finders scent the pig whilst travelling around on the back of a vehicle/atv they then either signal with a bark or whimper when they detect a scent and are released and they find and hold or find and bail (bay) until the hunter gets there, some bailers will also lug on command or the pig is shot, in a rare instance a "catch dog" is used.Ground finders are exactly that, usually hunted on the ground walking with the hunter. Very few hunters here run finding dogs and a bulldog to do the catching like you may have seen in America, we expect our dogs to do the finding and the catching. Most local councils only allow people to have 2 dogs in a standard house yard so they need 2 dogs to do it all, hunting pressure in most areas also has the pigs extremely flighty, the slightest hint of a hunter and they are on the run, so fast dogs that can find and hit hard in a lug or put on a real strong bay are usually essential, add to that a lot of our hunting is done at night the need for fit hard dogs becomes even more essential. Pig dogs are prey specific, we want them to catch pigs and pigs alone the chasing/scenting of any other game is severly frowned upon and will result in the dog removed from the pack until properly trained or possibly removed from hunting all together if retraining is not possible. Fighting or human aggression is also severly frowned upon, most hunters head out with their mates so the dogs are constantly being introduced to new animals and people and their is no room on a hunt for fighting or biting dogs, bringing a dog like this will result in you going home and not being invited again until the problem is solved in most cases. Sizes vary on breed and terrain hunted, most in the thick or mountain country like dogs in the 28 to 35 kg bracket and 24 to 26 inches at the shoulder, hunters in more open country 35 to 45 kg and 26 inches and upwards at the shoulder, there are of course exceptions to these sizes in all country but this is a general sizing to give an example.

Roodogs and longdogs are a versitile breed and yes they are extremely fit toned animals, incredibly fast and agile for their size. As the name suggests their original purpose was to catch roos and other meat for the table for their families so naturally any dog incapable of this was not kept for very long. The catching of roos with dogs was made illegal quite some years ago so nobody does that anymore but enthusiasts of the breed have kept them alive and well and have used them on a variety of feral game from rabbits, hares, foxes, cats and pigs to great effect. There are very few sights as spectacular as a longdog in full flight their speed and agility is amazing. A lot of the pigdog breeds also have the blood of these dogs in their make up to add height and agility to the bull blood, eg bully x staghound, bully x greyhound etc etc.

I hope this gives you a basic insight into some of our hunting dogs, enjoy the site. cheers

[micl]

In regard to pig dogs most hunters here run finder/holders or finder/bailers, they can be split into ute (pickup) finders and ground finders. Ute finders scent the pig whilst travelling around on the back of a vehicle/atv they then either signal with a bark or whimper when they detect a scent and are released and they find and hold or find and bail (bay) until the hunter gets there, some bailers will also lug on command or the pig is shot, in a rare instance a "catch dog" is used.Ground finders are exactly that, usually hunted on the ground walking with the hunter. Very few hunters here run finding dogs and a bulldog to do the catching like you may have seen in America, we expect our dogs to do the finding and the catching. Most local councils only allow people to have 2 dogs in a standard house yard so they need 2 dogs to do it all, hunting pressure in most areas also has the pigs extremely flighty, the slightest hint of a hunter and they are on the run, so fast dogs that can find and hit hard in a lug or put on a real strong bay are usually essential, add to that a lot of our hunting is done at night the need for fit hard dogs becomes even more essential. Pig dogs are prey specific, we want them to catch pigs and pigs alone the chasing/scenting of any other game is severly frowned upon and will result in the dog removed from the pack until properly trained or possibly removed from hunting all together if retraining is not possible. Fighting or human aggression is also severly frowned upon, most hunters head out with their mates so the dogs are constantly being introduced to new animals and people and their is no room on a hunt for fighting or biting dogs, bringing a dog like this will result in you going home and not being invited again until the problem is solved in most cases. Sizes vary on breed and terrain hunted, most in the thick or mountain country like dogs in the 28 to 35 kg bracket and 24 to 26 inches at the shoulder, hunters in more open country 35 to 45 kg and 26 inches and upwards at the shoulder, there are of course exceptions to these sizes in all country but this is a general sizing to give an example.

Roodogs and longdogs are a versitile breed and yes they are extremely fit toned animals, incredibly fast and agile for their size. As the name suggests their original purpose was to catch roos and other meat for the table for their families so naturally any dog incapable of this was not kept for very long. The catching of roos with dogs was made illegal quite some years ago so nobody does that anymore but enthusiasts of the breed have kept them alive and well and have used them on a variety of feral game from rabbits, hares, foxes, cats and pigs to great effect. There are very few sights as spectacular as a longdog in full flight their speed and agility is amazing. A lot of the pigdog breeds also have the blood of these dogs in their make up to add height and agility to the bull blood, eg bully x staghound, bully x greyhound etc etc.

I hope this gives you a basic insight into some of our hunting dogs, enjoy the site. cheers

to good l even lernt from what you said bren, , darryl ,the otther thing is that if one tackes a pretecsion dog out hunting it may track man to , if he has been train to track , now that is importanted ,,,,,,,,,,,, unles its held on leed ,then released wen game is seen ,,,,, in the long past l did use my man dogs on pig to track and hold ,, but wen l told the older blocks , they went of at me and said what if the farmer was working around and and and ,, well l never let my dogs track again of leed cose they may go to far and l carnt see what ther doing , some man dogs have no frends ,no mater how well ther trained ,,,,,,, any way that was long long time ago ,,,, its good to have spisific dogs for spisific work ,,,,,,, no disrispec boys ,,,,, micl ,, ,,,, l think l mite go back to school to lern to rite again , love ya,s by micl

Edited September 24, 2011 by micl